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	<description>Putting officials and special interests on the record about education reform</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Oklahoma Governor Makes Good Choice to Sign Special-Needs Scholarship Bill&#8230; Could Colorado Be Next? by Ed is Watching &#187; Summertime Good for Celebrating Victory for Louisiana Special-Needs Students</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=233&cpage=1#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed is Watching &#187; Summertime Good for Celebrating Victory for Louisiana Special-Needs Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the American Federation for Children for that news. Following closely on the heels of Oklahoma&#8217;s new program, Louisiana becomes the sixth state to provide badly-needed choice to students with special [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the American Federation for Children for that news. Following closely on the heels of Oklahoma&#8217;s new program, Louisiana becomes the sixth state to provide badly-needed choice to students with special [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEA Shamefully Opposes SB 191 and Effective Teaching by ML</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=216&cpage=1#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related, no. same person, definitely not, but we're not the only two people that have concerns about an unfunded mandate put on a financially burdened public education. Principals, teachers, parents, etc all have concerns about this bill being rushed through.  People who are experts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related, no. same person, definitely not, but we&#8217;re not the only two people that have concerns about an unfunded mandate put on a financially burdened public education. Principals, teachers, parents, etc all have concerns about this bill being rushed through.  People who are experts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEA Shamefully Opposes SB 191 and Effective Teaching by bendegrow</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=216&cpage=1#comment-1873</link>
		<dc:creator>bendegrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, ML, I have read the bill -- and carefully. Devising precise definitions of both teacher and principal effectiveness remains the province of the Council on Educator Effectiveness created by Gov Ritter's executive order. Still, as written now, and as I indicated in the previous comment, the bill prescribes to the Council that at least 50 percent of both teacher and principal evaluations will be based "on academic growth" of the students in their charge. Further, the bill prescribes that the council must use "multiple fair, transparent, timely, rigorous, and valid methods" of evaluation. 

Without the recourse to the extensive "due process" job protections in CRS 22-63-301 et seq, consistently ineffective teachers still will have access to the same legal avenues any one of us have in our jobs -- including federal anti-discrimination laws. But if a teacher doesn't fail to meet effectiveness for two years in a row, there's no worry.

Is this primarily about job protection, or about ensuring students have access to high-quality teachers?

ML and Terra, How are you related? Or are you the same person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, ML, I have read the bill &#8212; and carefully. Devising precise definitions of both teacher and principal effectiveness remains the province of the Council on Educator Effectiveness created by Gov Ritter&#8217;s executive order. Still, as written now, and as I indicated in the previous comment, the bill prescribes to the Council that at least 50 percent of both teacher and principal evaluations will be based &#8220;on academic growth&#8221; of the students in their charge. Further, the bill prescribes that the council must use &#8220;multiple fair, transparent, timely, rigorous, and valid methods&#8221; of evaluation. </p>
<p>Without the recourse to the extensive &#8220;due process&#8221; job protections in CRS 22-63-301 et seq, consistently ineffective teachers still will have access to the same legal avenues any one of us have in our jobs &#8212; including federal anti-discrimination laws. But if a teacher doesn&#8217;t fail to meet effectiveness for two years in a row, there&#8217;s no worry.</p>
<p>Is this primarily about job protection, or about ensuring students have access to high-quality teachers?</p>
<p>ML and Terra, How are you related? Or are you the same person?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEA Shamefully Opposes SB 191 and Effective Teaching by ML</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=216&cpage=1#comment-1871</link>
		<dc:creator>ML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously bendegrow, you didn't read the bill either.  Their is nothing in place to measure principal effectiveness.  Terra might not be correct on all her points, but she is on the big ones, the ones that don't protect teachers.  Teachers should have some protection against wrongful termination.  This bill really does take that away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously bendegrow, you didn&#8217;t read the bill either.  Their is nothing in place to measure principal effectiveness.  Terra might not be correct on all her points, but she is on the big ones, the ones that don&#8217;t protect teachers.  Teachers should have some protection against wrongful termination.  This bill really does take that away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEA Shamefully Opposes SB 191 and Effective Teaching by bendegrow</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=216&cpage=1#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>bendegrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara, quite simply you are wrong. Have you read the bill or followed the debate, outside of reading the CEA talking points? You could have chosen a more compelling case to oppose this legislation. Your opening analogies and subsequent arguments don't hold up for the following reasons:

1. SB 191 addresses principal effectiveness as well as teacher effectiveness. Think about it this way: Teachers are to be evaluated on more transparent and objective data than currently available now. Principals are to be evaluated 50% on the effectiveness of their teachers in increasing student academic growth. This makes teachers in general less vulnerable to indiscriminate acts of unfairness by administrators, but makes ineffective teachers more likely to get extra help or not get their contract renewed.

2. Re funding, the bill will be implemented over the next 5 years, allowing time for funding issues to be resolved. For one possibility SB 191 will make Colorado much more likely to obtain Race to the Top funds. If lack of funding were really an issue, superintendents would not support it. But they do. That's because they know that this bill will have positive, cost-saving impacts on attrition.

3. CEA doesn't have a leg to stand on. The bill is well-written and thoughtful. Numerous amendments have been made to alleviate concerns about the timetable for implementation, and to clarify &#38; address concerns about student growth measures. CEA leaders say they support reforms to improve quality teaching, just not SB 191. With all the clout and influence the organization has, which bills have they sponsored or lobbied for to improve quality teaching in the last decade?

In that light, here are some questions for you:
- Would you cut 6% from the city parks department budget, then ask them to evaluate their employees on how well they're doing their jobs?
- Would you expect a person who works with children to prove they do their job reasonably well before giving them a special job protection that makes any effort to dismiss them extremely difficult, costly and time-consuming?
- Would you motivate a judge to act fairly by more closely linking his own professional performance to how he judges cases based on an objective and transparent system of data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara, quite simply you are wrong. Have you read the bill or followed the debate, outside of reading the CEA talking points? You could have chosen a more compelling case to oppose this legislation. Your opening analogies and subsequent arguments don&#8217;t hold up for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1. SB 191 addresses principal effectiveness as well as teacher effectiveness. Think about it this way: Teachers are to be evaluated on more transparent and objective data than currently available now. Principals are to be evaluated 50% on the effectiveness of their teachers in increasing student academic growth. This makes teachers in general less vulnerable to indiscriminate acts of unfairness by administrators, but makes ineffective teachers more likely to get extra help or not get their contract renewed.</p>
<p>2. Re funding, the bill will be implemented over the next 5 years, allowing time for funding issues to be resolved. For one possibility SB 191 will make Colorado much more likely to obtain Race to the Top funds. If lack of funding were really an issue, superintendents would not support it. But they do. That&#8217;s because they know that this bill will have positive, cost-saving impacts on attrition.</p>
<p>3. CEA doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on. The bill is well-written and thoughtful. Numerous amendments have been made to alleviate concerns about the timetable for implementation, and to clarify &amp; address concerns about student growth measures. CEA leaders say they support reforms to improve quality teaching, just not SB 191. With all the clout and influence the organization has, which bills have they sponsored or lobbied for to improve quality teaching in the last decade?</p>
<p>In that light, here are some questions for you:<br />
- Would you cut 6% from the city parks department budget, then ask them to evaluate their employees on how well they&#8217;re doing their jobs?<br />
- Would you expect a person who works with children to prove they do their job reasonably well before giving them a special job protection that makes any effort to dismiss them extremely difficult, costly and time-consuming?<br />
- Would you motivate a judge to act fairly by more closely linking his own professional performance to how he judges cases based on an objective and transparent system of data?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CEA Shamefully Opposes SB 191 and Effective Teaching by Terra Shea</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=216&cpage=1#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>Terra Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you slash the budget to a city’s parks department, and then demand that they build a brand new recreation center?
Would you take away the right to due process under the law away from a person that may actually be innocent?
Would you allow a judge to sentence people based on his opinion rather than evidence?

Of course you wouldn’t, you’re a sensible person.

Then why would you make decisions like that about education?  If we do not stop SB 191 we will be making bad decisions about the future of education in Colorado.

SB 191 in its present form will cause unnecessary financial strain to already struggling school districts, it will unfairly remove quality educators from their chosen profession, and it will give administrators an unjust advantage in teacher evaluations.

Is it shameful to want fairness for all professionals? Teachers do not want to work with others that are ineffective, but what about ineffective administration??  Who protects good teachers from them?  Have you ever had or know someone who had a boss who didn't do a good job and you spoke up against a decision they made? This bill would allow good, quality teachers to loose their job because the administrator didn't "like" them.  There needs to be reform for evaluation that would make it easier to get rid of ineffective teachers, but this bill DOES NOT do that.  Think about it??  CEA doesn't want bad teachers, they want a well-written bill that has some thought behind it.  If this passes, all the quality teachers will go somewhere else where they won't be afraid to speak up against wrong decisions!!

Also, there is NO funding.  Eventually the state will have to raise taxes to fund a mandate like this.  The bill will require all districts to hire more people to redo the evaluation system, which will take away funding from the kids.  Teachers will not seek out additional training and degrees for fear of "making too much money" and be fired because of budgets.  I don't want my child to be taught be brand new teachers every year who is under trained and inexperienced.  Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you slash the budget to a city’s parks department, and then demand that they build a brand new recreation center?<br />
Would you take away the right to due process under the law away from a person that may actually be innocent?<br />
Would you allow a judge to sentence people based on his opinion rather than evidence?</p>
<p>Of course you wouldn’t, you’re a sensible person.</p>
<p>Then why would you make decisions like that about education?  If we do not stop SB 191 we will be making bad decisions about the future of education in Colorado.</p>
<p>SB 191 in its present form will cause unnecessary financial strain to already struggling school districts, it will unfairly remove quality educators from their chosen profession, and it will give administrators an unjust advantage in teacher evaluations.</p>
<p>Is it shameful to want fairness for all professionals? Teachers do not want to work with others that are ineffective, but what about ineffective administration??  Who protects good teachers from them?  Have you ever had or know someone who had a boss who didn&#8217;t do a good job and you spoke up against a decision they made? This bill would allow good, quality teachers to loose their job because the administrator didn&#8217;t &#8220;like&#8221; them.  There needs to be reform for evaluation that would make it easier to get rid of ineffective teachers, but this bill DOES NOT do that.  Think about it??  CEA doesn&#8217;t want bad teachers, they want a well-written bill that has some thought behind it.  If this passes, all the quality teachers will go somewhere else where they won&#8217;t be afraid to speak up against wrong decisions!!</p>
<p>Also, there is NO funding.  Eventually the state will have to raise taxes to fund a mandate like this.  The bill will require all districts to hire more people to redo the evaluation system, which will take away funding from the kids.  Teachers will not seek out additional training and degrees for fear of &#8220;making too much money&#8221; and be fired because of budgets.  I don&#8217;t want my child to be taught be brand new teachers every year who is under trained and inexperienced.  Do you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Private School Choice Helps Students, Saves Money? Lawmakers Say Too BAD; Lobbyists Make SHAMEFUL Claims by Ed is Watching &#187; It&#8217;s Past Time for Colorado to Seriously Consider Private School Tax Credits</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=206&cpage=1#comment-1606</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed is Watching &#187; It&#8217;s Past Time for Colorado to Seriously Consider Private School Tax Credits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the GoBash blog, my Education Policy Center friends also highlighted some of the shameful lobbyist arguments used against this legislation (and its companion bill, HB 1295), which would have provided [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at the GoBash blog, my Education Policy Center friends also highlighted some of the shameful lobbyist arguments used against this legislation (and its companion bill, HB 1295), which would have provided [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Legislative Committee Halts Charter School &#8216;Witch-Hunt&#8217; by Michael Merrifield</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=199&cpage=1#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Merrifield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are no witches, why so fearful of the hunt?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Legislative Committee Halts Charter School &#8216;Witch-Hunt&#8217; by Ed is Watching &#187; Stop! The &#8220;Witch-Hunt&#8221; Attacks on Charter Schools Really Creep Me Out</title>
		<link>http://www.gobash.org/?p=199&cpage=1#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed is Watching &#187; Stop! The &#8220;Witch-Hunt&#8221; Attacks on Charter Schools Really Creep Me Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Check out our GoBash blog for all the details, including a copy of the proposal and an important podcast discussion.) Democratic state senator Lois Tochtrop was correct to describe the proposal as a &#8220;witch-hunt.&#8221; I&#8217;m glad she and the four Republicans on the Legislative Audit Committee shot down the bad idea and spared the tens of thousands of Colorado charter school students and their families from an attack on their public school choice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Check out our GoBash blog for all the details, including a copy of the proposal and an important podcast discussion.) Democratic state senator Lois Tochtrop was correct to describe the proposal as a &#8220;witch-hunt.&#8221; I&#8217;m glad she and the four Republicans on the Legislative Audit Committee shot down the bad idea and spared the tens of thousands of Colorado charter school students and their families from an attack on their public school choice. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Colorado Supreme Court: No Hearing for Anti-Charter School Institute Lawsuit by TABOR Defense War Room, and More &#171; Conservative Libertarian Outpost</title>
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		<dc:creator>TABOR Defense War Room, and More &#171; Conservative Libertarian Outpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (CSI), the special state authorizer for many Colorado charter schools. As noted on our GoBash blog, this was a good decision. Listen as our Education Policy Center director Pam Benigno and CSI chairman Alex Medler discuss [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (CSI), the special state authorizer for many Colorado charter schools. As noted on our GoBash blog, this was a good decision. Listen as our Education Policy Center director Pam Benigno and CSI chairman Alex Medler discuss [...]</p>
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